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Message started by Neil_N on Feb 18th, 2013 at 8:14pm

Title: SF38 in review
Post by Neil_N on Feb 18th, 2013 at 8:14pm
** yaaawn **

And thus passes yet another Marathon. As we wake after a few hours of sleep, see it's dark out and then wonder if it's 6:00 PM of the same day or 6:00 AM of the next (or possibly 6:00 PM of the next and that you somehow slept for 30 hours straight), it's time for a look back at this year's films.

What? You expect a write-up now? Sorry, but it'll have to wait. Also, watch this space for this year's time lapse. I have to find some good music to back it, possibly Mold-themed.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by R_F_Fineman on Feb 18th, 2013 at 9:13pm
Looking at the flightlist, this may be The Youngest Lineup Ever! Even if you subtract 37 years from SF-1 films or 36 years from SF-2 films(etc.), it is still a very young lineup.

The five oldest films
(1958) Incredible Shrinking Man
(1962) Reptilicus
(1974) Phase IV
(1996) Escape From LA
(1997) Fifth Element

Five Films from 2012-2013
(2013) Motivational Growth
(2012) John Carter
(2012) Ghastly Love of Johnny X
(2012) War of the Worlds: Goliath
(2012) Safety Not Guaranteed

-The same story is true for the Shorts :
(2013) In Memoriam
(2012) Asternauts
(2012) Death of a Shadow
(2011) La Luna
(1960s) Twilight Zone

This demonstrates the vanishing 35mm print problem as well as anything else. It's not that the films weren't good. It's just that the tradition of featuring a lineup that spans decades may soon be a thing a past. :-[

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by David the Projectionist on Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:17pm

R_F_Fineman wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 9:13pm:
This demonstrates the vanishing 35mm print problem as well as anything else. It's not that the films weren't good. It's just that the tradition of featuring a lineup that spans decades may soon be a thing a past.


     At this point in time, I think it had far more to do with Garen's booking choices than with print availability.
     That will change, but it isnt a factor right now.


Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Jay Seaver on Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:00pm
I'm tempted to mostly cut and past from what I tweeted during the fest, but...

John Carter - I thought it was pretty good during its theatrical run, where I saw it in 3D IMAX; I think it might work better in 2D (it was a conversion job).  Whatever the case, it got a pretty raw deal from critics, Disney's marketing decisions, and industry press last year, which seemed anxious to spread poor buzz.  It's a pretty good movie with a few issues (cut the framing sequences down, please!) that should have been recognized as such.

"In Memorium 2013" - Nice idea, pretty bad execution, as the selection of clips often seemed to make the piece more of a guessing game than a tribute.

Reptilicus - Eh.  I had an early-afternoon nap during its last act (I was up until 3am because I went to a midnight movie on Saturday), and figured it was kind of amusing as this sort of B-movie goes.

The Ghastly Love of Johnny X - Had some pretty good bits, but bogged down like crazy during the speaking (vs singing) parts, and the way it shuffled characters from protagonist to antagonist and the like.  On the other hand, it was pretty and had random and funny use of Paul Williams.

War of the Worlds: Goliath - I saw it less than 24 hours previously, so this was a good time to hit Boston Burger Company.  I got back for the only part that I'd really recommend:  Teddy Roosevelt killing Martians.  The other hour and fifteen minutes don't have nearly that sort of hook, with mediocre action and very bland characters.

"Asternauts" - I laughed, quite a bit, especially since it wasn't the sort of "insulting to rural folks" movie I was expecting.

Battle Royale - That's so good, folks.  Its satire comes out of a specifically 1990s Japan place, but works everywhere, and the violence is vicious enough that it makes The Hunger Games look like the joke it is.

Safety Not Guaranteed - I really liked it when I saw it earlier this year, but kind of felt remorse for giving it such a high rating afterward - it's such a thin thing, right?  But it's also really funny and sweet and has a great design in the end, so, yeah, I guess I really do like it that much.

The Twilight Zone:  "Time Enough at Last" - Nice half-hour story.  I hope the guy who yelled out at the end got beaten up by his neighbors but good.  Sure, it probably wasn't a spoiler for most of the crowd, but there's something to be said for just experiencing the movie as opposed to showing how clever and aware you are.

The Incredible Shrinking Man - Saw it at the Brattle a few months earlier, still like it quite a bit.  It's basically a B-movie at heart, but a well-executed one, and it has moments in the middle and end where it reaches toward something more ambitious than a lot of its contemporaries.

"Death of a Shadow" - Wasn't terribly fond when I saw it in the Oscar shorts package, not a big fan of it here.  Steampunk trappings for a not-particularly-interesting tragic romance; it strikes me as the kind of movie that talks a good game but doesn't really offer that much.

Phase IV - I really love this movie; it's about a superintelligent ant colony and doesn't try to make its villains particularly human; it's got the stark style of both Saul Bass and 1970s sci-fi in general.  And who among us wouldn't really like to see the deleted "Phase IV" section at the end?

Motivational Growth - Man, the way the marathon can turn on a movie is amazing.  FWIW, when I saw it on Friday, I basically thought it was uneven, a few good parts with as many poor ones, and Combs's voice performance generally elevating it to a bit above mediocre.  I didn't watch much of this second screening (to be frank, I needed to spend some time in the restroom), and from what I did re-watch, it doesn't seem to repeat very well, but let me tell you - it wasn't in the top half of hatable movies I saw between the festival and marathon at all.

V For Vendetta - Is it just me, or does this have a really cheap look to it, like it was shot on video or the set-decoration was half-done or something?  I'm guessing Dave would lay the blame at the 2K DI, but even without that, kind of aponderous alt-reality/future mystery.

"La Luna" - Liked it in theaters.  Still like it here.

Escape from L.A. - Man, that thing couldn't be more mid-nineties and built on Los Angeles cliches if it tried, could it?  I kind of dig its general goofiness, though, and kind of think that Big Trouble in Little China is the only other time Carpenter had nearly this much fun making a movie.

The Fifth Element - Well, Dave did warn us about the print.  It remains a great deal of fun, and kind of stands out as the last of the big model/rubber costume/elaborate set movies, since the Star Wars prequels and Lord of the Rings would be around in fairly short order and change how these big fantasies are made.  T5E is the form at its apex, especially good because Luc Besson uses it as a (first) opportunity to do a bandes-dessinees-style adventure, zipping between characters in great, peppy style.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Metaluna on Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:07pm
Dave, how much was in the tip jar at the end?

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by David the Projectionist on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:33am

Jay Seaver wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:00pm:
V For Vendetta - Is it just me, or does this have a really cheap look to it, like it was shot on video or the set-decoration was half-done or something?  I'm guessing Dave would lay the blame at the 2K DI


     No, I would lay the blame on the fact that I was showing a BluRay.  As Ive stated (often) you cant magnify that those "images" beyond a certain point without causing severe degradation (loss of blacks, decrease in saturation, etc).  When the studios tell us (and they do) to "just a run a BluRay," you now see why we continue to refuse to do so.
     I did strongly insist to Garen that he rent a print.  He didnt.
     BTW, Battle Royale was also a BluRay, and also looked pretty damn bad (blown out whites, contrast problems, motion tracking weirdness, etc).  Most of the shorts were BluRays as well.
     I was doing a lot of juggling up there!

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by David the Projectionist on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:38am

Jay Seaver wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:00pm:
The Fifth Element - Well, Dave did warn us about the print.


     The print had some residue adhesive on it (from the incompetent moron who ran it last) that caused the film to bind in the brain of the platter.....twice!!!  Once the brain locked up, the film came to a sudden stop, all the sprocket holes ripped, the frame froze in the gate, and burn city.
     If I had run it on reels, it wouldnt have happened.  Ah, well.


Title: Thank you: SF38 in review
Post by L.A. Connection on Feb 19th, 2013 at 1:01pm
I will post my reviews of the films when I Escape Back to L.A..

For now, I just want to give a hearty THANK YOU to everybody involved with putting together the Marathon from Garen, to Ian and the Somverville staff, to David the perfectionist projectionist, to Frank and Fran, to Major Tom and his MLO volunteers, to our Ohio emissaries Joe and Viktruvian, to everybody else involved in the Festival and Marathon. And, also a big THANKS to everybody who took the time to chat, reminisce and look forward to the future of the Marathon.
Even in 24 hours there just wasn't enough time to catch up as much as I'd like to have.

I've given MOTIVATIONAL GROWTH its own "debate" thread here: http://sf.theboard.net/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1361296612/0#0


Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Dinsdale on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:23pm
John Carter - Liked it in 3D, also liked it in 2D. Great 'Thon opener!

"In Memorium 2013" - Well done, hope this becomes a tradition.

Reptilicus - Glad to finally see this, typical silliness for its time.

The Ghastly Love of Johnny X - Looked great in B & W, good cinematography. All it needed was a decent story.

War of the Worlds: Goliath - Best "anime" yet. Enjoyable.

"Asternauts" - Very good short.

Battle Royale - Wasn't sure about this one, but I liked it.

Safety Not Guaranteed - Surprise of the 'Thon, Glad I waited to see it here. Humorous, sweet and intriguing.

The Twilight Zone:  "Time Enough at Last" - Great to see this again. I really like the idea of "surprise" showings!

The Incredible Shrinking Man - Last seen at my first 'Thon, SF4. Good to see (most of it) again. This is where I started to doze.

"Death of a Shadow" - Another fine short film.

Phase IV - Saw more of it this time and liked it.

Motivational Growth - Two thumbs down! Ugh!!

V For Vendetta - A likeable film, SF? Not so sure.

"La Luna" - Cute.

Escape from L.A. - Did Michael Bay grow up watching this? Not bad.

The Fifth Element - WAS THIS FILM TOO LOUD? Perhaps the sound started the two fires? Interesting and nice to see again. A good closer!

Thanks to all involved once again ;D

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by kirok on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm
7 of the 12 features had shooting, explosions, blood, canon fire, machine guns, knives, more blood, building collapse etc..
i'm sure this was an unintentional oversight but i felt i was in a war movie marathon, not a sic-fi marathon.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by da_Bunnyman on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:49pm
Okay, my turn.

John Carter- I think I agree with Dinsdale, it was better here in 2D. I still wonder what Disney did to start such a hate campaign for whats actually a damn good sci-fi actioner with a good script and great designs all through it.

In Memorium- good idea that will probably get better every year. Which is kinda depressing way to talk about obituaries.

Reptilicus- We really need at least one film like this every year. Bad effects, female characters who seem to have little purpose yet show up every where the plot goes. Comedy relief that is downright embarrassing to watch. Plus a bad song and a lot of time killing tourism pictures.

Ghastly World Of Johnny X- Not my type of film, crowd did seem to like it though.

War of The Worlds: Goliath- Fun, obviously meant as the first film in a series. The name dropping was a good touch.

Asternauts- Missed it, saw the end and was actuall a little sorry I did miss it.

Battle Royale- Great film, I think I prefer the shorter regular version. Took way too long with the extra endings.

Safety Not Guaranteed- Another type of film we need at each 'thon. Character driven with a funny script and you really wonder how it's going to end.

Twilight Zone: Time enough At Last- Wonderful seeing this with a crowd, still say it's the cruelest ending of any Zone.


Death of A Shadow- Phase IV- Motivational Growth- Slept in the second floor lobby through all of them.

V For vendetta- Not a fan of the politics but this is a great film. The peaceful crowd revolt is more moving than a battle would have ever been.

Escape From L.A.- My gawd, this came out more than 15 years ago! Hate to say it but it's not that great but seeing Snake Plissken again was kinda cool.

The Fifth Element- Is there a cut scene where it shows the entire universe turning into a Monty Python sketch? But this is a fun film to see with the marathon crowd. Kudos to our fearless projectionist for having to deal with two film breaks (one an onscreen burn that I have never seen actually happen outside of The Blob.) That ain't an insult either, I saw his report on how the print was in bad shape when it arrived. Looked great though.

Special note for our music guy for "We'll Meet Again" as ending music. Always brings tears to my eyes. Maybe some year we can end with a bouncing ball sing-along of of it that'll probably leave me sitting in my seat sobbing as the theater empties out. (I've got a BIG sentimental streak about the marathon and the folks I see at it)

All in all one of the best lineups EVER and a crowd that is starting to grow again. And also a crowd that seems to be staying longer and longer.

Wheat Chex and Rice Chex 4 Ever (but it is the Chex Mix that lets us work together)

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Jay Seaver on Feb 19th, 2013 at 10:16pm

David the Projectionist wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:33am:
I would lay the blame on the fact that I was showing a BluRay.  As Ive stated (often) you cant magnify that those "images" beyond a certain point without causing severe degradation (loss of blacks, decrease in saturation, etc).  When the studios tell us (and they do) to "just a run a BluRay," you now see why we continue to refuse to do so.

Huh.  The thing was, V For Vendetta was the only one of the Blu-ray sourced things that really looked that bad in that particular way to me, to the point where I checked to see what it was shot on when I got home and was kind of surprised to see 35mm (which then got its resolution reduced to 2K by the DI).  Whatever the case, it looked weird.


da_Bunnyman wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:49pm:
John Carter- I think I agree with Dinsdale, it was better here in 2D. I still wonder what Disney did to start such a hate campaign for whats actually a damn good sci-fi actioner with a good script and great designs all through it.


One thing I've heard is that there was a lot of bad blood between the live-action people at Disney and the Pixar folks, who were given a lot of prominent positions in the company after the merger and were perceived as acting like they knew the business better than the veterans.  Said veterans had cultivated relationships with the entertainment media, and leaking bad things about the production fed their interests.  Supposedly the press didn't like Andrew Stanton individually much, either.  Combine this with the stupid games Disney played with the name because of The Princess & the Frog and Mars Needs Moms and the way Tron 2 tanked (it, like John Carter, had Pixar people as the driving force behind it), and the movie had more enemies than friends.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by kirok on Feb 19th, 2013 at 10:49pm

Jay Seaver wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 10:16pm:

David the Projectionist wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:33am:
I would lay the blame on the fact that I was showing a BluRay.  As Ive stated (often) you cant magnify that those "images" beyond a certain point without causing severe degradation (loss of blacks, decrease in saturation, etc).  When the studios tell us (and they do) to "just a run a BluRay," you now see why we continue to refuse to do so.

Huh.  The thing was, V For Vendetta was the only one of the Blu-ray sourced things that really looked that bad in that particular way to me, to the point where I checked to see what it was shot on when I got home and was kind of surprised to see 35mm (which then got its resolution reduced to 2K by the DI).  Whatever the case, it looked weird.


let me handle this for you dave.
correct jay. the transfer process from 35 mm stock to blu-ray does degrade the resolution. projecting the blu-ray image onto a large screen exacerbates the problem. the lecherous cretans at the the studios should be flogged, drawn and quartered, have there heads shoved into a bucket of their favorite fois gras and goats should butt them and trample on them.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by R_F_Fineman on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:05pm

Quote:
Da Bunnyman:
Special note for our music guy for "We'll Meet Again" as ending music. Always brings tears to my eyes. Maybe some year we can end with a bouncing ball sing-along of of it that'll probably leave me sitting in my seat sobbing as the theater empties out. (I've got a BIG sentimental streak about the marathon and the folks I see at it)


Thank you. The real thanks goes to mrs. F. Not only did she help develop, find, and download forty titles, when she heard that "Motivational Growth" had replaced  "Hands of Orlac", she might have reached for a chainsaw; but no. She rushed over to Starbucks, got a WiFi connection and found songs to go with the smack-talkin' mold.

Thanks to you too Bunnyman. Leading the crowd sing-along with "High Hopes" really brought energy to a sleepy "Phase IV" crowd. Maybe I will play "Happy Trails" next year in your honor. :)

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Jay Seaver on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:06pm
Duh, I know that.  I just thought this one looked particularly bad in a way that seemed different, qualitatively, than Battle Royale and the movies that ran during the festival, was all.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by David the Projectionist on Feb 20th, 2013 at 12:10am

Jay Seaver wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 10:16pm:
The thing was, V For Vendetta was the only one of the Blu-ray sourced things that really looked that bad in that particular way to me, to the point where I checked to see what it was shot on when I got home and was kind of surprised to see 35mm (which then got its resolution reduced to 2K by the DI).  Whatever the case, it looked weird.


     *Sigh*  :'(
     Okay. Now, without meaning any intentional insult, what youre reading above is what happens when people who dont have any great technical or photographic knowledge draw incorrect conclusions based on what they dont understand.  (Again, no disrespect.)
     The piece of critical information youre missing, Jay, is that digital image reproduction cannot yet handle blacks.  When presented with deep black, the computer doesnt know what do with it, so if you look closely at some older DVDs (before they started revising the codecs), youll see that the black areas (shadows, for instance, or night scenes) have a lot of digital noise in them, which is known as "artifacting."  It's distracting & it's ugly (and you can see it in DCPs as well, but DCIs play tricks with the gamma to disguise it).
     Which means that transferring a very dark film like V for Vendetta presents a problem (not for film, which can easily handle rich blacks, but for digital, which cant).  Do it straight, & you end up with horribly ugly artifacts all over every scene; therefore, in order to avoid that, they lowered the contrast.  Think of your old B&W teevee: remember the brightness knob?  Remember when you turned it, everything turned white & flat, & all detail was lost?  Same thing here: by decreasing the gamma, & increasing the white level, they created a low-contrast transfer to avoid all the digital noise.
     To you, that looked "weird."  To me, who ran a film print of this title for weeks, it looked like garbage as compared to the print.  And this is typical, which is why people ought to be screaming at the top of their lungs about this.
     If I find someone who owns a copy, I'll let you know.  Youll see the difference, all right.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by da_Bunnyman on Feb 20th, 2013 at 8:24am

R_F_Fineman wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 11:05pm:
[quote]
Thanks to [b]you too
Bunnyman. Leading the crowd sing-along with "High Hopes" really brought energy to a sleepy "Phase IV" crowd. Maybe I will play "Happy Trails" next year in your honor. :)


Sorry to say that was not me leading the sing along (I was napping upstairs.)


Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Jon on Feb 20th, 2013 at 11:12am
Hmmm.  I thought that the "sing-along" was just a spontaneous bit of vocalization at the time.  I was happy to join in, of course, and knew the lyrics because I  saw that particualr Sinatra film at close to the same time frame I experienced the Incredible Shrinking Man as a first-run movie -- when I was about 12 years old.  (Oops, giving away my real age...  Like nobody knew....) ;)

This was a very well plotted 'Thon.  I found I had little time for meals and breaks as I wanted to catch pretty much everything on the schedule. (Couldn't have known about that mold thing, or I might have been able to have a good looooong nap at that point.  As much as I dislike Hands of Orlac and as much as most would've hated the over-long Frau Im Monde, they're both more edifying than Motivational Growth.  I can only hope its Gort award works politically as Garen hopes it will for the betterment of the Festival's future iterations - though this year was pretty darned good!)  Now if we can just re-calibrate Weather Control a bit....
RIP, SF 38.  Long live SF39!

Title: Dingleberry! : SF38 in review
Post by L.A. Connection on Feb 20th, 2013 at 8:04pm
Some random replies...


kirok wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 8:27pm:
7 of the 12 features had shooting, explosions, blood, canon fire, machine guns, knives, more blood, building collapse etc..
i'm sure this was an unintentional oversight but i felt i was in a war movie marathon, not a sic-fi marathon.


Hey, I've said this for a long time. An inordinate percentage of modern SF films are just action films dressed up with science fiction trappings. Look at the lineups of any marathon from the recent past and its pretty much the same story, not to mention the Box Office in general. Just look at the Saturn Awards Best SF Film nominees this year: "The Avengers","Chronicle","Cloud Atlas","The Hunger Games", "Looper", "Prometheus - Every one of them would qualify in some way or another in your definition.



Dinsdale wrote on Feb 19th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

V For Vendetta - A likeable film, SF? Not so sure.


1984-ish future/alternate society films are generally considered squarely within the SF genre. Did anyone else catch the irony of John Hurt playing 'Big Brother' in VENDETTA and having played Winston Smith in the 80s version of 1984??! 
:)


Jay Seaver wrote on Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:00pm:
The Twilight Zone:  "Time Enough at Last" - Nice half-hour story.  I hope the guy who yelled out at the end got beaten up by his neighbors but good.  Sure, it probably wasn't a spoiler for most of the crowd, but there's something to be said for just experiencing the movie as opposed to showing how clever and aware you are...


Totally agree, the "Glasses!" shout-out was by an A-Hole who deserves a VERY uncomfortable space in Marathon Hell alongside the dingleberry who kept shouting out "Yabba Dabba Do!" every time the leader of the workers appeared in METROPOLIS many years ago at the 'thon.


David the Projectionist wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 12:10am:

... The piece of critical information youre missing, Jay, is that digital image reproduction cannot yet handle blacks.  When presented with deep black, the computer doesnt know what do with it, so if you look closely at some older DVDs (before they started revising the codecs), youll see that the black areas (shadows, for instance, or night scenes) have a lot of digital noise in them, which is known as "artifacting."  It's distracting & it's ugly (and you can see it in DCPs as well, but DCIs play tricks with the gamma to disguise it).
     Which means that transferring a very dark film like V for Vendetta presents a problem (not for film, which can easily handle rich blacks, but for digital, which cant).  Do it straight, & you end up with horribly ugly artifacts all over every scene; therefore, in order to avoid that, they lowered the contrast.  Think of your old B&W teevee: remember the brightness knob?  Remember when you turned it, everything turned white & flat, & all detail was lost?  Same thing here: by decreasing the gamma, & increasing the white level, they created a low-contrast transfer to avoid all the digital noise...


David, this is truly one of the better layman's terms explanations of why Digital looks so 'milky'. Digital compression also explains why some like Jay may have felt the Production Design looked less than impressive. Digital tends to flatten the depth of field and kind of washes out details (VENDETTA looked quite good in 35mm upon its initial release.
Anybody with keen eyesight must have noticed the dramatic difference in the blackness level between VENDETTA and the film prints of ESCAPE/L.A. and FIFTH ELEMENT that followed it.

It's a phenomenon I first noticed back in the early days of digital with PHANTOM MENACE. There was a scene in a meeting room that had a giant window looking out to a city scape. It was painfully obvious that the digital rendering simply could not handle the contrast between the darkly lit meeting room and the bright candy-colored view outside. I can't imagine what the opening scene in THE GODFATHER must look like!! (Brando in the super dark room stroking his cat contrasted with the bright windows full of afternoon sunlight).

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by da_Bunnyman on Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:14pm
Minor point and maybe it would not have made any difference but no one made an announcement about not going overboard on the snarking.
We had a LOT of new people this year which is great for the health of the marathon.
But new people may not understand that we view and react to something like Reptilicus different from something like Shrinking Man.
Actually I wonder what the heck they thought was happening with our Chex cheer?

Title: The Godfather
Post by David the Projectionist on Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:24pm

L.A. Connection wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 8:04pm:
I can't imagine what the opening scene in THE GODFATHER must look like!! (Brando in the super dark room stroking his cat contrasted with the bright windows full of afternoon sunlight).


     Sure you can!  Rent a DVD of it & see!
     Remember that all the original prints of The Godfather were struck using the (unfortunately) now-extinct IB Technicolor process, and nothing produced deeper, richer, denser blacks than that!
     The new prints Ive run look comparatively thin and grainy (and you also have to take into account some colour shifting in the negative).  But even thats better than the digital transfers Ive seen!

Title: wannabe : SF38 in review
Post by L.A. Connection on Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:42pm
We also didn't get any warnings on trash and selfish texting bastards!

Major Tom wasn't given the time to make his usual opening announcements but the Leeloo wannabe got hers...........

::)  ::)


da_Bunnyman wrote on Feb 20th, 2013 at 10:14pm:
Minor point and maybe it would not have made any difference but no one made an announcement about not going overboard on the snarking.
We had a LOT of new people this year which is great for the health of the marathon.
But new people may not understand that we view and react to something like Reptilicus different from something like Shrinking Man.
Actually I wonder what the heck they thought was happening with out Chex cheer?


Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Metaluna on Feb 21st, 2013 at 1:00am
I thought the Leeloo costume was pretty good but the multi pass bit seemed a little weak. But good for her for getting in the spirit of things and playing along.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by kirok on Feb 21st, 2013 at 2:28pm
it's time to pick favorites. i'm not quite ready but i am leaning towards "wotw goliath". teddy roosevelt vs the martians! i loved it. it also featured nicholi tesla and baron von richtoven.
teddy was the first progressive but i don't hold it against him.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Neil_N on Feb 21st, 2013 at 6:50pm
John Carter - Add my voice to the chorus of those saying that this movie got a raw deal. Is it perfect? No, but it's fun, with an interesting world and a lot of fun, memorable characters. The best thing about John Carter is that it's like watching a Superman movie based on the very earliest Superman comics, since both characters seem to have the same power set of jumping far and super strength.
My very favorite thing of all about this movie that isn't named Tars Tarkus is Dejah Thoris. Not only is she a princess, not only is she a warrior princess, but she's a SCIENTIST warrior princess. I keep expecting Robert Heinlein to rise from the grave and propose to her.

"In Memorium 2013" - It's a good experiment, but just needs a little more work.

Reptilicus - God, this movie... I loved it, because it's the perfect sort of thing to see at the marathon. Useless female characters who add nothing to the story. Ropey effects that reach their apotheosis with that photo cutout farmer being eaten by the puppet lizard. The way the movie stops dead for about ten minutes of footage by the Copenhagen tourism board. The very strange homoerotic tension between the useless oil drill engineer and that American major who is mysteriously in charge of everything. I'm so glad this one played so early. After the rip-roaring, big budget cheese of John Carter, this was a nice slice of cheese of a different flavor and vintage.

The Ghastly Love of Johnny X - I'm kind of torn about this. On the one hand, I like musicals and this sci-fi musical pastiche was obviously made with a lot of love. It was no Lobsterman from Mars or Trail of the Screaming Forehead. On the other hand, it desperately needed an editor. Some of the scenes dragged out to deadly lengths. And the tone just wandered all over the place, with characters switching from villain to hero and then having surprise daddy issues thrown in as a third-act twist. I wasn't wild about it, but it seemed to go down fairly well with the crowd.

War of the Worlds: Goliath - This was another oddball, but a likable one. It played like the pilot of an animated series that you just know will never be made, but it managed to pull off a good amount of well-realized alt-history action. My favorite thing was the mecha design, with the Earth forces having a nice mix of aircraft and battle tripods and the Martians showing up straight out of Classics Illustrated with a better military budget. My only major problems with it were plot points that turned into blind alleys (e.g. - Irish dude whose brother was in the IRA. That whole weapons smuggling thing sure did...happen, I guess.) and the God-awful "We're trying to look like manga!" character designs. I had to laugh at how, since this was a Malaysian coproduction, we had the handsome, cool Malaysian member of the team who was clearly there to remind us that Malaysia exists. He got a pretty cool knife kill on a Martian, but nothing could top seeing Teddy Roosevelt facing down the Martian horde before being saved by the Red Baron and then taking to the streets atop a war tripod while hosing the enemy with a portable heat ray. Price of admission was worth just seeing that.

Asternauts - Um... I went to dinner and missed it. Sorry.

Battle Royale - Disclosure: I'd avoided this movie for years because the subject matter just didn't sound appealing to me at all, so I approached this one with a bit of trepidation. That said, I really enjoyed it and see why it got its following. It really is a gripping movie, whose violence is somehow not fetishized as much as I'd feared. In the end, I found it strangely uplifting, seeing how these poor kids struggled to find some winning strategy in a hopeless situation. Their stories were interesting and I found myself rooting for most of them. The Blu-Ray did have some problems (Like the amazing mish-mash of greys that formed every shadow), but the upside of video releases is that a.) we can show them and b.) subtitles are actually readable.

Safety Not Guaranteed - Another film I'd blinked and missed in general release. This was another in the growing genre of films I like to call "Is it time travel or just mental illness?" This genre currently seems to consist of this film, Happy Accidents, and 12 Monkeys, and this one is the only one of the trio that isn't a remake of La Jetee. It's an amiable tale of what people are looking for in time travel, with everyone either yearning to return to the past to fix a mistake or else stay stuck in the present. As someone else here said, it's a rare movie that can have us all cheering an empty lake at the very end. I'm glad it was here.

The Twilight Zone - I've seen this episode dozens of times and know the depressing punchline. I decided to stretch my legs instead. Even so, I'm glad we can now easily show TV shows on disc. It opens up some interesting material that we couldn't show before.

The Incredible Shrinking Man - This is a really odd movie, when you stop and think about it. It deals with all these themes of emasculation and alienation before turning into what is essentially a silent fight for survival and then ending with the bittersweet "death" of the main character as he comes to accept his vanishing from our world. It's one of those films that really make me wonder how they pitched it to the studio back in the 50's. "We've got this story of a man who shrinks down, gets depressed, grows so small that his wife thinks he's dead and abandons him to fight the web-spinning tarantula in the basement before shrinking out of existance at the end. It's the feel-melancholy movie of the summer!"

Death of a Shadow - Another oddball short, but very pretty and with a neat little concept driving its admitedly thin plot. It came and went and left a fairly good impression on me.

Phase IV - I really wanted to watch this one, but the early-morning time slot and the deadly-dull nature of this artifact from 1974 just did me in. I recall great microphotography of ants, dull scientists, strange geometric mounds in the desert, and a head-scratching ending which was apparently less head-scratching than the original lost ending. One of these days, ants, I'll watch your movie and judge you more fairly. As it stands, I came away feeling like this was the world's most depressing episode of Ark II.

Motivational Growth - And then there was this, the movie that triggered near rebellion. Looking back at my tweets during the movie, I see myself losing more and more patience with this meandering, self-indulgent mess. Yeah, I suppose it was technically impressive in some ways, but I hated the characters and just knew 15 minutes in that our "hero" was going to end up a pile of mold himself, and I think I might have punched somebody had I not walked out 20 minutes before the end. Seriously, I never walk out of movies. I may skip them or I'll watch them half-heartedly, but this one made me leave the theater feeling angry. I hated everyone in this story. I will urge people to avoid it, lest they be left feeling angry, too.

V For Vendetta - I know Alan Moore kept his name off of this adapation of his famed graphic novel on the need for anarchy, but I do like it. For all the liberties it takes with the original story, a ton of it is still in there, and I think it works. There really is something about it that makes me a bit misty eyed, seeing the silent army of the state's victims watching Parliament explode and finally getting a smidgen of justice. Purists may hate it, but I was happy to see it again.

La Luna - It was pretty and cute. Next?

Escape from L.A. - Wow, this hasn't aged well, has it? I was kind of shocked by how cheap some of the sets looked, especially Sunset Boulevard and the hilarious digital fire that consumed everyone in the back of that CGI helicopter. Also, I really loathe Snake for pretty much ensuring the deaths of most innocent bystanders in the industrialized nations, since a total loss of power and transport means mass starvation in the Earth's major cities within days. Um, thanks, Snake. You're a real anti-hero, aren't you?

The Fifth Element - Some people love it, others hate it. Still more wish that Chris Tucker would just shut the hell up and stop all his screeching. Me, I love this movie to death. It's the best English-language adaptation of a French comic that never ran in Heavy Metal magazine that can't decide if it's an action movie or a straight-up comedy. The thing I like best about it is its vision of New York City in the future. With its gigantic skyscrapers, vertical elevator-trains, and layers of flying traffic, this New York looks like a place that would be endlessly interesting to visit. It's ridiculous, and yet somehow I can buy it as being a real place. Moreso than in other, more serious movies. I think the real test of this film is Tucker as Ruby Rhod, the Pinkie Pie of this story. You either find him hilarious or else wish that one of the million rounds of ammo expended in the move would find its way between his eyes. The movie's a glorious mess that only a French action director in the 90's could give us. And even with two breakdowns due to film burns (An event I'd seen maybe twice in my life before this marathon showing), I'm so glad we ended this year feeling great after seeing this movie. Leeloo Dallas, your multipass is welcome wherever you go.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Joe Neff on Feb 21st, 2013 at 9:51pm
After just finishing the excellent film to digital documentary SIDE BY SIDE, I was reminded of why the Marathons (be they in Columbus, Cleveland or Boston) still mean so much to me, even after all these years and all these various theatres.  But more about that at the end (HA!).  First, some thoughts about this 38th version of the Amazing Insomniac and Back Pain Junkie Convention aka This Cinematic Thing of Ours aka Da Marathon!  I’ll avoid a film by film breakdown in favor of some specific high and low points.

*This was my third(!) screening of JOHN CARTER in less than two months.  I had waited until it hit Blu-Ray for my maiden voyage and it played in a severely battered 35mm print at the CWRU Cleveland Marathon back in January.  So yeah, by the time this DCP presentation rolled around, I was pretty tired of rehashing the plot points yet again.  Subsequently, I mostly took in the pure sensory aspects of the screening, which were still interesting in a simultaneously more superficial and deeper manner.  Yes, to everything that everyone here has already said about it.  Taylor Kitsch just doesn’t bring enough charisma and acting chops to the lead role, and the production design skews too much toward the photorealistic, rather than the hallucinatory fantasism that it deserves.  But it’s still a far better film than its reputation.

*Eleven years ago, a little film called HAPPY ACCIDENTS was probably the highlight of the otherwise mutant-centric lineup of SF27.  Was SAFETY NOT GUARANTEED the same experience?  No.  Much of that is due to the lead actors.  I’ve always enjoyed Aubrey Plaza, but she specialized in the deadest of deadpan personas.  And Mark Duplass is intentionally reserved as the male lead.  Compare that to the dynamically eccentric Vincent D’Onofrio and the emotional high wire act of Marisa Tomei and you can see how that earlier film had a much easier throughline for the audience.  But that doesn’t mean that the performances of Plaza and Duplass are inferior, just a bit more distant.  And with all of that said, eleven years after that HAPPY ACCIDENTS screening, I was once again pleasantly surprised to see the audience give such a warm reception to such a non-traditional sci-fi film.

*My other pleasant surprise?  ESCAPE FROM L.A.  Boy, how time can alter your perception of a film’s successes and failures.  When this bowed in 1996, I was 19 and gung ho for a sequel that I figured had to be worth it if Carpenter and Russell deigned to finally make it.  I didn’t think it was bad, but it just seemed forced and mediocre.  The Marathon screening was my first since then, and it gave me a totally new appreciation for a film that, while still not entirely successful, now compares more favorably with its contemporaries and successors.  I was immediately struck by how traditional the camerawork and editing were, a definite plus in the context of an era that has seen too much of each taken to hyper-aggressive levels.  And while on first viewing I thought the film to be a tired rehash of the original, this time I thought of it as an entirely intentional and appropriate rehashing of the original.  After all, it’s set in Hollywood, and now takes place in a moral universe so perverted and corrupted that the only solution to it is Snake Plissken’s apocalyptic reset at the story’s conclusion.   

*PHASE IV!  I’m over a barrel crazy about Saul Bass, so yeah, this screening was something special.

*The premieres……hmmmmmm.  This gets into a frustrating area for me.  I continue to appreciate what Garen does to keep this event alive, but did everyone notice that his opening remarks about “the best and worst of times” were entirely directed at the festival aspect of this whole shebang?  And his defensive stance toward MOTIVATIONAL GROWTH at the end of the even really rubbed me the wrong way.  I can see, in part, what he was trying to say, but it just came across as an admonishment of the audience’s (ahem) obviously unrefined tastes.  Look, if having a festival of sorts leading into the Marathon helps with its profile, all the better.  But the Marathon is still the marquee event, the most highly attended part of the whole fest, the guy who brought you to the dance.  For several years now, Garen had just seemed to give off this vibe that the fest is the most important part of the week, with the Marathon a quaint relic that hangs on at the end.  And that’s too bad, because this event has survived all of these years and deserves more respect than that. 

Having tried to book local premieres at the Columbus Horror Marathons, I know that it’s more difficult than ever for a smaller fest to obtain screenings.  So this year, I set a new standard for myself: if we couldn’t get a premiere that at least seemed somewhat solid, we’d rather play a quality recent title that most of the audience might have missed (KILL LIST and THE LAST CIRCUS filled those slots this year.)  You can stand behind seeming premieres all you want, but ultimately crap is just crap, and MOTIVATIONAL GROWTH is a wildly mediocre effort that looked even worse in a Marathon setting.  I missed WAR OF THE WORLDS in favor of dinner, but GHASTLY LOVE OF JOHNNY X was much better than I thought (although once it dumped out of the early musical sequences, it really started to drag.)  Agreed with most here that it would’ve made a serviceable short.

*Kudos once again to David for all of his efforts in the projection booth.  He gave my cohort and I a tour midway through the event, and lemme tell ya folks, that room is the stuff that projectionists dreams are made of.  And kudos to him as well for pointing out the glaringly obvious inferiority of some of the digital content, especially the Blu-Ray content.  Yes, 35mm prints are becoming more of a rare proposition.  But ya know what?  We ran a 24-hour Horror Marathon last fall that featured 11 of 12 features on 35mm, with THE DEVILS being the only digital screening due to its rarity.  Universal, Park Circus (which handled REPTILICUS) and SONY are still fine homes for 35mm repertory prints, and the private collector circuit is still strong as well (most studios will gladly clear rights for private prints.)  So to throw up Blu-Rays of BATTLE ROYALE and V FOR VENDETTA just made the event look cheap.  Yeah, I know that the former was only rereleased digitally (it showed at the Columbus Marathon last year.)  But if it’s going to look poor, just book something else.

Part of this, too, comes down to personal preference.  For me, this was the weakest lineup since 2006.  There was much to enjoy, but also too much that was just okay.  A versatile venue like the Somerville should be fully utilized as long as the Marathon is there, and there are 35mm prints of classic and stronger films out there.  But that’s getting off onto another tangent.

*So the reminder of why I love the Marathons, the one inspired my SIDE BY SIDE?  It’s the year by year realization that nothing beats a packed house at a grand old palace like the Somerville, going nuts over ATTACK THE BLOCK, warmly applauding SAFTEY NOT GUARANTEED, chortling at REPTILICUS and revering classics of all stripes.  It’s appropriate that the Boston even continues to start on Sunday, because the atmosphere is like going to church…in the best possible way.  Even with a lineup that I wasn’t too hot for, this experience in this theater is still second to none.

Title: Broken Clocks: SF38 in review
Post by L.A. Connection on Feb 21st, 2013 at 11:49pm
Joe, this is a nice insight. One of the reasons I don't go to as many small festivals (yes, even in L.A. there are tiny fests) as I used to, is because the lesser known ones tend to be filled by movies that couldn't get booked in more prestigious ones. Some of these films travel from obscure fest to obscure fest literally for years (I know they need a copyright date, but wouldn't it be smart to hide in some extint language or something to disguise the fact that they are pawning off a 3 year old movie as a "Premiere"??).

So yes, I think Joe's idea of finding smaller films that have already been vetted by getting released AND having good reviews/word of mouth is a damn solid one.

(like a broken clock even Joe.......... :D)



Joe Neff wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 9:51pm:
... Having tried to book local premieres at the Columbus Horror Marathons, I know that it’s more difficult than ever for a smaller fest to obtain screenings.  So this year, I set a new standard for myself: if we couldn’t get a premiere that at least seemed somewhat solid, we’d rather play a quality recent title that most of the audience might have missed (KILL LIST and THE LAST CIRCUS filled those slots this year.)  You can stand behind seeming premieres all you want, but ultimately crap is just crap, and MOTIVATIONAL GROWTH is a wildly mediocre effort that looked even worse in a Marathon setting.... 


Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by David the Projectionist on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 7:33pm

Neil_N wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 6:50pm:
Safety Not Guaranteed - As someone else here said, it's a rare movie that can have us all cheering an empty lake at the very end. I'm glad it was here.


     This really was a pleasant surprise: it kept you guessing right to the end.  But it was  very, very thin, for all that.


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The Twilight Zone - I've seen this episode dozens of times and know the depressing punchline.


     Doesnt everyone?  Remember where you were, sir!


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Motivational Growth - And then there was this, the movie that triggered near rebellion.


     And rightfully so!  It had no business playing at the Thon (& I would say the same thing about Johnny X).  I think we've been running far too many new movies, lately.  Just my two cents.


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V For Vendetta - I know Alan Moore kept his name off of this adaption of his famed graphic novel on the need for anarchy, but I do like it. For all the liberties it takes with the original story, a ton of it is still in there, and I think it works. There really is something about it that makes me a bit misty eyed, seeing the silent army of the state's victims watching Parliament explode and finally getting a smidgen of justice. Purists may hate it, but I was happy to see it again.


     I think it was, without question, the best movie I ran this Thon.  I had forgotten just how good it is.  It has some problems: everyone says "thank you" way too many times, & that Matrix-like fight near the end was overkill.  But, getting past those glitches, the damn thing is the most politically radical movie Ive seen in years, & the fact that it was financed & released by a major studio never ceases to astonish me.
     It really, really pissed me off that I had to run that crummy BluRay.  The movie deserves better.



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Escape from L.A. - Wow, this hasn't aged well, has it?


     I ran it when it came out, & I thought it sucked then.  Havent changed my mind.


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The Fifth Element - And even with two breakdowns due to film burns (An event I'd seen maybe twice in my life before this marathon showing)


     Just had to bring that up, huh?   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by David the Projectionist on Feb 22nd, 2013 at 8:29pm

Joe Neff wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 9:51pm:
*Kudos once again to David for all of his efforts in the projection booth.  He gave my cohort and I a tour midway through the event, and lemme tell ya folks, that room is the stuff that projectionists dreams are made of.


     If you think it's cool now, just wait until all the 70mm equipment is finally installed!  :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Jay Seaver on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 1:39am

Joe Neff wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 9:51pm:
*The premieres……hmmmmmm.  This gets into a frustrating area for me.  I continue to appreciate what Garen does to keep this event alive, but did everyone notice that his opening remarks about “the best and worst of times” were entirely directed at the festival aspect of this whole shebang?  And his defensive stance toward MOTIVATIONAL GROWTH at the end of the even really rubbed me the wrong way.  I can see, in part, what he was trying to say, but it just came across as an admonishment of the audience’s (ahem) obviously unrefined tastes.  Look, if having a festival of sorts leading into the Marathon helps with its profile, all the better.  But the Marathon is still the marquee event, the most highly attended part of the whole fest, the guy who brought you to the dance.  For several years now, Garen had just seemed to give off this vibe that the fest is the most important part of the week, with the Marathon a quaint relic that hangs on at the end.  And that’s too bad, because this event has survived all of these years and deserves more respect than that. 


I doubt anybody who actually attended the festival part of the, uh, festivities, would agree with you on that, as this year it seemed rather disorganized, even beyond what the weather caused, and the bulk of what played there... yeesh!  A *lot* more care seemed to go into the 'thon than the fest, even if the festival line-up did show improvement over last year.

I also tend to think Garen has some pretty poor judgment
over what the best movies in the fest are.  Last year, The Last Push got a rough slot and no selection for the marathon despite being easily the best movie on the slate and probably the most thon-friendly (I think it's also the only one from last year to be picked up for distribution, though it's now called Astronaut: The Last Push because people hate scrolling through VOD menus).

This year, I think there were several fest pictures that would have been better selections for the 'thon than Motivational Growth.  Though my two favorites had strikes against them (Mars et Avril is in French; Earthbound was a really annoying industry screener, worse than WOTW:G), I think the audience would have gone for Space Milkshake or The History of Future Folk.

For that matter, Garen seemed pretty surprised when he asked the audience at one of the fest screenings what they thought of the other WOTW picture that played and got a round of "eh" rather than the applause he seemed to expect.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Joe Neff on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 11:53am
My comment was aimed less at the end result ('cause, yeah, the actual Marathon has always looked far more organized than the fest) and more at the general impression I get from Garen.  From the focus of his announcements to the general direction of the website and FB page, etc., it seems as if the fest is the primary PR focus, while the Marathon is the quaint relic.

And again, I have no problem with him trying to play up the festival aspect if it ultimately means more opportunities for the Marathon.  But as you've pointed out on several occasions, the fest has tended to be disorganized, showcasing films that are often fairly mediocre.  And that doesn't really help any part of this thing.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Jay Seaver on Feb 23rd, 2013 at 12:33pm
Well, to be fair, the fest part is nine days and this year needed a lot of extra announcements made as the blizzard messed things up something fierce.  As much as I think a lot of the problems with the fest were self-inflicted, I can't really blame him for having that on his mind; it was a long week.


Question:  Did they ever wind up showing anything in the micro-cinema?  There were a couple of announcements with different times, but I never heard mention of a schedule or it actually being open.

Title: SF38 in review
Post by L.A. Connection on Feb 26th, 2013 at 4:24pm
Hard to believe - a full week since! Again, thanks to all those involved in helping put this together. And, yes, I stayed awake all 24+ hours (30 hours total before getting a nap). In fact, I had very few problems at all with even drowsiness (although I kept asking myself "WHY??!!" during MOTIVATIONAL GROWTH....

::)

My review of the films:

                     
Doktor Fang (short) - Not a great idea to show a short film with the house lights on and people still arriving and chatting. I couldn't focus attention. Bring back the Trailer reel next year, please.

Duck Dodgers (short) - Amazing how many times a lot of folks in the audience have seen this, and yet it still entertains! It has become our own private Rocky Horror Picture Show!

JOHN CARTER - Like WATERWORLD a number of years ago, this one attained the level of box office bomb before it even got released. Part of it was the idiotic idea to "hide" the fact that it was set on Mars by changing the title - Really, Disney? You think hordes of ticket buyers would be lured to the box office by a generic sounding guy's name on the marquee?!! Then, there was the 3D conversion, the poor marketing, budget overruns etc... But, frankly, pitiching a film that is almost as much sword & sorcery fantasy as sci-fi was going to be a hard sell to today's crowd, not to mention the added factor of trying to outrun a $250M budget (add in a drab unknown lead and a long flashback to the Civil War). But, like WATERWORLD, CARTER isn't nearly a bad a film as its pre-release rep (and is much better). It was perfect for this crowd! The ending, of course, sets up a sequel that will now never happen (unless Disney spits it out as one of their straight-to-video cheapies).

In Memorium (short) - Much better in concept than in execution. The clips often meandered without the honored person being on screen at all. It would have been twice as effective at half the length. It should have shown later in the proceedings as well - you're just starting the Marathon, do you really wanna bum folks out that early? Still, not bad for a first effort.

REPTILICUS - As others have written - this is a Grade A example of a B movie tailor made for Marathon viewing. Cheezy effects, goofy characters, rampant model destruction, cornball dialogue! What more could you want? Best shoutout (during the cut-out human being eaten scene): "I didn't know Terry Gilliam did the effects!"

Tin Foil Hat Contest - We have to do a better job advertising our contests. I mean THREE contestants? What's the point...............?

GHASTLY LOVE OF JOHNNY X - Never have been a big fan of these retro spoofy flicks. Still, the first half-hour or so of this was better than feared. The songs were energetic, the widescreen black & white photography was pleasant and actress De Anna Brooks was sexy and enthusiastic. Nice to see a final cameo by Kevin McCarthy. And, then....the "plot" kicked in, not to mention the "dialogue". After that point, it just sort of laid there. You could feel the air get sucked out of much of the Marathon audience like a balloon being slowly deflated. And, there were still 75 MINUTES TO GO! All these "I'm more clever and talented than those hack 50s directors" can't seem to make films that don't run on well past the joke. And, what is the point of advertising that you are shooting on 35mm and then only showing it digitally? Still, this was a cut above the usual Blamire foolishness.

Trivia Contest - Nice job, Ed. And, thank you to Frank for the 4-pack DVD I won! (I named WAR OF THE WORLDS as the 1953 Hugo Award winner)

WAR OF THE WORLDS: GOLIATH - Like GHASTLY, I feared this on the schedule, but, this also exceeeded by expections - even more so, in fact. It has a clever premise building upon the HG Wells novel and updating it with a sequel that reels in Teddy Roosevelt and Tesla! Not bad for a Malaysian attempt at Anime with some Steampunk stylings. It gets in and gets out in a fairly painless 85 minutes -- but at the sacrifice of much character development.

Asternauts (short) - Pleasant if uneventful. Has a couple of nice pieces of dialogue - "Your cooperation is appreciated if compulsory" - and decently acted.

BATTLE ROYALE - Wow! This one really smacks you in the face right from the get-go with that overwrought Music overture. And, the over-the-top violence really makes HUNGER GAMES seem like kiddie-matinee material. While the film is certainly compelling and well made, I can't wholeheartedly rave about it. I'm sure there are culturally specific references for Japanese audiences, but, I couldn't really discern a point to much of the story beyond the usual parents and society/violence in culture type of thing. It's also important to note that lead actor Takeshi 'Beat' Takano is a major cult actor in Japan, so he's not just a cranky old guy with parenting issues for local audiences.
  It's amazing to think that it got the equivalent of a PG-15 rating in it's own country, but, has been released Unrated here. Because of all the sex and violence involving children I have a hard time believing it would even get an R without severe cuts. ROYALE also does a much better job than HUNGER in showing the rules of the game and keeping score of how many are alive. I liked it, but, I think somewhat similarly themed films such as Peter Brooks' LORD OF THE FLIES and even the goofy satiric DEATHRACE 2000 have clearer point-of-views.

Alien Mating Cry Contest - yes, again

SAFETY NOT GUARANTEED - This worked as a balm after the intense BATTLE ROYALE. I have to admit that I may have been a tad too hard on it when it came out last summer: http://sf.theboard.net/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1339371463
It's certainly enjoyable, but I still think too much time is spent on the secondary characters and the payoff, while internally consistent, is kind of a letdown.

Twilight Zone "Time Enough At Last" - Hard to believe that a 50+ year old TV episode on DVD looks that much better than a brand new 2012 feature released across the country. Of course, Zone was shot on 35mm film and SAFETY on crappy digital. It actually had been a long time since I'd seen this episode. I had forgotten the wife scene and also just how poorly sighted the Burgess Meredith character was (in my mind I always said to myself, "Why doesn't he just find another pair of glasses?"). What's also astonishing is just how much plot, pathos and humanity is conveyed in the final 10 minutes or so of the episode, post-nuke. Compare that to the 105 minute running times of GHASTLY LOVE, MOTIVATIONAL GROWTH....

THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN  - As noted before, SHRINKING has a fond place in my SF heart. Nice to report that it still does after not having seen it in a long time. The film starts out as one of a long string of post-nuke side-effects films, but, with more heart and humanity than most. The relationship with the circus short-person is touching (in the Richard Matheson novel she's a babysitter - a bit too icky for 50s audiences!). There are a few scattered awkward moments and an over-emphatic musical score at times. But, those minor qualms are swept away during the astonishing second half (roughly beginning with the Dollhouse/Cat sequence). It becomes one of the era's great survival tales and ends with a haunting existential final soliliquy that blew my mind as a kid and even brought a tear to my eye at the Marathon. The best film on the schedule.

Death of a Shadow (short) Didn't win the Oscar, but this nominated short was a welcome addition to the schedule. It's a morbid chamber piece with some steampunk stylings (since when did the Marathon gain this seemingly permanent sub-theme?). The set is pretty fantastic.

PHASE IV - Saul Bass' small-scaled low-budget tale is still one of the more interesting revenge of nature movies (the 70s had many). It's slowly paced and lacks strong human characters (the ants are actually more interesting!), but, it has a unique vision and tone. It was a pretty daring choice to have a 10 minute prologue without any humans on screen. We are plunged into the ant world right from the get-go. The first shot of humanity is a blurred heat-distorted view of a mechanized vehicle - a jeep. The ending, as it stands, is perhaps a bit too inspired by 2001. Hopefully, the re-discovered one will be released on DVD. What younger Marathoners have to keep in mind is that, save for a few opticals (a couple of them brilliantly composed), ALL the insect footage had to be shot for real. No CGI or model work.

MOTIVATIONAL GROWTH - Not much more to be said, since it has it's own debate thread: http://sf.theboard.net/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1361296612
All I can add is that I was disappointed to hear that the Director was in the house at 4am but, wasn't given the opportunity to be introduced or do a Q & A afterwards. I'm not saying any minds would have been changed, but, he should have been afforded the courtesy. The film fails on a dramatic level, as well as an entertainment one. The lead is both unsympathetic AND uninteresting.

V FOR VENDETTA - Blu Ray cloudy presentation aside, this was the 2nd best film on the slate. Pretty powerful 1984-ish power to the people agitation mixed with a Phantom of the Opera like "V". It's a bit slower paced than I remember, and the bloody sword-fight battle is over the top and out of keeping with much of the picture (allegedly, it was directed by the Wachowski producers themselves). Still, this is as powerful and incredibly daring a political film to be released by a major studio as "blockbuster" entertainment as you are likely to see. And, it's also very cheeky to have the actor (John Hurt) who played Winston Smith in 1984, play the Big Brother character here!

La Luna (short) - Cute, quaint and sweet

ESCAPE FROM L.A. - Practically a text book example of the unnecessary sequel. A full decade too late. A Director on the decline. And, a lead actor cruising along on past glories. Instead of a good story, its just a re-hash with a bigger budget, larger exposions and a soundtrack amped up to 11. I avoided it on its initial release because I was such a fan of the original and heard such awful things about it. Finally seeing it now, doesn't lessen the disappointment with it. Yes, it's fun to see the cool cameos by Peter Fonda (the surfing bit is just about the best thing in it), Pam Grier, Bruce Campbell and Steve Buscemi, but, this is pretty weak stuff and the CGI hasn't age well at all (the model work in ESCAPE/NY looks better!). Everything that is wrong with the movie is exemplified in the ridiculous Basketball sequence: big bad Snake Plissken has to fight for his life shooting hoops? WTF??!! I know it's set in 'showtime' L.A., but this was asinine - I half expected a Magic Johnson or Kareem cameo....

FIFTH ELEMENT - I thought this was silly garbage on its initial release and never saw it again. It's still silly garbage. A hodgepodge of BLADE RUNNER, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, INDIANA JONES, SPECIES and lots of better films, this is one foolish ride. I remembered Chris Tucker's Ruby as one irritating character, but, now regard him right up (down) there with Jar Jar Binks as one of the genre's worst ever. Ugh. I couldn't help but think how the one hand-to-hand combat scene with Milla Jovovich has made her career and millions of dollars. Of course, it also prevented her acting from being taken seriously.

So, despite 3 of the last 4 films on the schedule being... uh... less than ideal, this was a fun marathon. The audience was cool. More enthusiastic than the last few, frankly. I think we got into the spirit of REPTILICUS and were suitably respectful of more serious minded films like SHRINKING MAN and PHASE IV (save for the dingleberry during Twilight Zone  >:( ).

Thanks again to all those who contributed and attended!

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by da_Bunnyman on Feb 26th, 2013 at 10:26pm

L.A. Connection wrote on Feb 26th, 2013 at 4:24pm:
PHASE IV - Saul Bass' small-scaled low-budget tale is still one of the more interesting revenge of nature movies (the 70s had many). It's slowly paced and lacks strong human characters (the ants are actually more interesting!), but, it has a unique vision and tone. It was a pretty daring choice to have a 10 minute prologue without any humans on screen. We are plunged into the ant world right from the get-go. The first shot of humanity is a blurred heat-distorted view of a mechanized vehicle - a jeep. The ending, as it stands, is perhaps a bit too inspired by 2001. Hopefully, the re-discovered one will be released on DVD. What younger Marathoners have to keep in mind is that, save for a few opticals (a couple of them brilliantly composed), ALL the insect footage had to be shot for real. No CGI or model work.


I recall on it's first marathon showing we cheered the praying mantis in the wiring. It did have more character development than the humans.

Two things I think need to be promoted a little more are the contests at the marathon. (I have an idea for a trivia one for next year)
And also we need to get more traffic here on the message board. Nice to see an e-mail about reviewing SF38 today. Hopefully that's a start.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by kirok on Feb 26th, 2013 at 10:29pm
reptillicus had the unexpected bonus of having a general named MARK. there was steady chatter in the audience as newbies asked "why are they shouting MARK?" answer "it's from planet of the vampires. they said MARK 143 times in that movie"
i didn't get the same kind of kick out of the marathon as compared to previous marathons. the last 2 films are crucial in producing a good overall experience. watching konga, zombies of maura kau, trekkers, at 8 a.m. were real standouts for me.
over the years in becomes exponentially harder to find a lineup that delights a long time veteran.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by sas on Feb 27th, 2013 at 12:31am
Okay, Tony, I'm posting.  Happy now?

I already emailed this to Klaatu:

I went to sf2 thru sf32 or so, missed a couple, got into the habit now of going home for 4 hours so I'm not totally wrecked the next day.  I suppose that's cheating, but in the bigger picture...

This was a good lineup.  After sitting miserably through "John Carter" in bad 3d, it was nice that it underwent that transformation some movies do when you see them at the marathon.  "Reptilicus" was classic (could use at least one more of those, though I know it can be difficult, and I know "Shrinking Man" was there but it's less of a sci-fi monster movie to me).  "Ghastly Love of Johnny X" was fun and different; a little long but that happens.  "War of the Worlds: Goliath" was great.  And "Safety Not Guaranteed" was even better than I'd hoped.

I do think that "Battle Royale" is out of place here, though.  A few years ago I disagreed with the (apparent) idea that there had to be some kid-friendly movie for those bringing their kids.  But on the flipside, I think that "Battle Royale" tends to exclude not only kids but some adults, too (some were waiting in the lobby for it to end when we got back from dinner).  Since I was bringing my 12 year old daughter, I had checked out most of it on Netflix Instant, and the nastiness (kind of like what horror films have become) of it (to me) outweighed any sci-fi value.  Sure there is the comparison to The Hunger Games, but that movie held back enough that it didn't seem as nasty (to me).  I realize there's a lot of room for debate about this, but that's my two cents.

We came back in the morning for Escape from LA (violent, too, but somehow being less realistic made it okay) and the Fifth Element.  And when the film got caught and burned, I said "hey kids, that's probably the last time you'll ever see that happen!"  Well, then it happened again.  Important part of the experience.

Thanks for another fun time.

Title: Phase IV: SF38 in review
Post by L.A. Connection on Feb 27th, 2013 at 2:30am
Here is the PHASE IV ending that was shown this past year. It doesn't really change the meaning of the ending, but, it is far more visually interesting than the release version. It also is even more 2001-ish.

Apparently, the studio cut the film against Director Saul Bass' wishes. You hire a visual artist and you cut the most visually interesting segment of the film? Nice work, Paramount.

Recent article on the making of the film: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443792604577575440133817760.html

And, a French site has some cool photos and storyboards of the ending:

http://www.devildead.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13034&start=36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beLpsWaUDNk



Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by R_F_Fineman on Feb 27th, 2013 at 10:23am

Quote:
LA:
Phase IV ending...Nice Work Paramount
:o

Way to go Paramount execs! That surrealist ending would have been the best part of a very stylish film. To cut that part out of a Saul Bass film is akin to cutting out the suspense scenes from Hitchcock! It's especially puzzling given that it was the 70's after all; a time when general release films were given artistic leeway never seen before, and perhaps never again. :-?

Even without the last five minutes, Phase IV goes down on the list of films that went way beyond my expectations. Almost every year the Marathon provides one of those big-screen gems. This year they provided three!

"John Carter of Mars" (just because the execs cut the title doesen't mean we have to.) is also on the list. I can't help but wonder if it had come out before the disasterous "Mars needs Moms", its fate would have been very different. The story and characters compare favorably to the ones in the blockbuster "Avatar". Merging Burroughs' "Princess of Mars" and "Gods of Mars", niether of which have the Cowboys and Indians storyline, probably hurt it in terms of making a good sequel.

...Book spoiler alert...

Had they based the story on "Princess of Mars" we would have seen a lot more of Lynn Collins' Deja Thoris as well as the effectively animated and voiced green Tharks. The story would have ended with him back at his Arizona goldmine, angry at his unexpected and untimely teleportation and longing for his home on Mars. The mystery of the omnipotent white martians, the Therns, would have been the reason for the sequel. 

...End of Book spoiler alert...

The other film that beat my expectations was "Safety not Guaranteed". The absence of any real stars, just good actors as it turns out, lowered my expectations to something like "Happy Accidents" lite. Boy was I wrong. Original, witty, and inclusive of understandable time-travel plot devices, the whole thing rocked, and all with only one special effect.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by David the Projectionist on Feb 27th, 2013 at 7:15pm

sas wrote on Feb 27th, 2013 at 12:31am:
and the Fifth Element.  And when the film got caught and burned, I said "hey kids, that's probably the last time you'll ever see that happen!"


     You can pretty much bank on that, because if I ever receive a print as crappy as that one again, I wont be so nice to it.


Quote:
Well, then it happened again.  Important part of the experience.


     Yeah, yeah, rub it in.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Jay Seaver on Feb 28th, 2013 at 1:28am
Big ol' diary post on my blog

Title: Scribbles in the Dark: SF38 in review
Post by L.A. Connection on Feb 28th, 2013 at 2:32pm
Thank you. In your blog post you say you want to see the ending of PHASE IV - a link to it was posted here just a few posts up in THIS thread.

Too bad you can't seem to enjoy stuff like REPTILICUS. One of the reasons there are Marathons of SF and Horror films, as opposed to WWII dramas or Bio-pics (for examples) is that there is an element of fun that sustains an audience for 12 hours or more. Delicious B movies have always been a part of the SF marathon, and I continue to hope that remains so. Sure, attempts at more recent 'so bad its good' stuff like SOUND OF THUNDER & BATTLEFIELD EARTH failed, and the whole spoofy thing has gotten old (TRAIL OF THE SCREAMING FOREHEAD, NAKED MONSTER), but something like REPTILICUS is good harmless fun. Try to get on board next year rather than just dreading it. The entertainment ratio of REPTILICUS or ROBOT MONSTER to a MOTIVATIONAL GROWTH or FOLKLORE is like 10 to 1!!

Hopefully, you scribble your notes the old fashioned way with pad & paper (no flashlight) rather that tweeting as you go.


Jay Seaver wrote on Feb 28th, 2013 at 1:28am:
Big ol' diary post on my blog


Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Jay Seaver on Feb 28th, 2013 at 4:32pm
Pencil and paper, of course, although I'd be tempted to try tweeting/live-blogging with an e-ink device if such a thing existed (I've heard the Kindle has a browser that's painful to use, but at least doesn't throw off light).

And it's not like I go into movies like Reptilicus looking to hate (and, in my book, a two-star rating is more "not impressed" than "actively dislike"); I just don't have the same associations with them that a lot of other folks do.  They're not suddenly going to remind me of sitting in front of the TV watching a creature double feature as a nine-year-old, you know?  And I'm okay with not being finding fun in pointing and laughing at people falling short of what they meant to achieve.

Plus, I kind of think they're worse when they play the marathon, because you get a whole bunch of people who suddenly think they're the entertainment.

Title: Bastard children: SF38 in review
Post by L.A. Connection on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:17pm
Nobody can "force" you to enjoy cult movies, but, it's strange that someone who sees as many such films and even blogs about them could be so resistent to the charms of such a large segment of the genre.
Even if you didn't grow up watching Creature Feature or going to Drive-Ins, you did grow up in the era of home video where you had easy access to virtually the entire range of cult film world (much easier, than generations before, in fact). For someone so interested in these genres, one would think you would have been exposed to (or interested in seeking out) the good, the bad and the ugly of genre flicks.
Plus, a lot of folks like myself didn't "grow up" watching Film Noir or Foreign Language movies, but acquired the taste and knowlege of them as adults. So, branch out and learn to love the bastard children of cult cinema! You don't have to mock them, you can have fun with them.
What makes the Marathon great is that you can shift gears from something fine like THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING MAN or GATTACA and then find joy in having fun with REPTILICUS or KONGA the next. The Marathon isn't a Film Festival (yet). It celebrates the range of the genre.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by G.I. Joe on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 3:47pm
finally recovered enough to get to this. fun reading all the comments. Overall, I liked the marathon this year, but I'm getting frustrated with all the festival crap intruding on the marathon. Enuff already! Anyway, on with the show!

John Carter:  just a so-so flick, but fun with this crowd. the chick was hot and there was enough stuff going on to keep it interesting

Reptilicus: Now THIS is what the marathon is all about!! Big monsters wrecking stuff. The big oaf with the eel. the song. the bad dialogue and even worse effects! We should have 2 or 3 of these every year and keep crap like....

Ghastly Love of johnny x: Out! Grrrrrrrrrrrr/ I wanted to take a dinner break, but it was kinda early. It was cool i guess to see Kevin Mccarthy one last night time. The songs kinda hid how stupid the whole thing was. but, by the time they started resurrecting that stiff I had enuff and went off to Joshua Tree for some early din-din

War of the worlds, the cartoon:  if I wanna see War of the Worlds I'd rather see the orginal! I missed some of this because of eating, but, it looked just mediocre.

Battle Royale: oh boy, this movie kicked ass! a little too much, but it kinda kicked you in the teeth, eh? Not sure it was appropriate for the marathon but I'm glad I saw it.

Safety not guaranteed: eh. it wasn't bad and the girl was cute, but this isn't sci-fi. It's just romantic comedy with a little time travel joke tossed in. more non-marathon filler, really

Twilight Zone - yes!

Incredible Shrinking Man : I cant believe I never actually saw this at a marathon before. Has it really been that long since it showed??? anyway, it's still cool and the pussy killing a guy thing is still funny!

Phase 4: I really liked what I saw, but I started drifting towards parts of this. love the insect photography and the whole thing is kinda creepy. thanx for posting the real ending in this topic thead! It was a much better ending!

Motivational Growth: THIS is why I hate the festival crap so much! I wanted to see Woman in the Moon. Hands of Orloc seems like a stretch since it looks like a straight out horror flick. But, this crap!! Oh my what a piece of garbage!! I slept a little but too many people were yelling at the screen to sleep more. KEEP THIS TRASH OUTTA THE MARTHON!

V for Vendetta: anything woulda looked good after the steaming turd like The Mold, but this is a pretty good recent flick. Stuff blows up good and those masks are cool - I'd like to get one!

Escape from LA: much rather have seen the original, but this is big dumb fun. Snake rocks - can we show the original next year?

Fifth Element: more stupid fun. Milla is hot! Why havent we shown any of her Resident Evil flicks? Theyre better than the festival sh.t we show!!

anyway, still had a decent time. just please let the festival stuff show during the week before. too much crap is wasting space at the marathon. I'd rather see good old fashioned sci-fi than da Mold! 

Title: Re: Bastard children: SF38 in review
Post by Jay Seaver on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 11:15pm

L.A. Connection wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:17pm:
Nobody can "force" you to enjoy cult movies, but, it's strange that someone who sees as many such films and even blogs about them could be so resistent to the charms of such a large segment of the genre.
Even if you didn't grow up watching Creature Feature or going to Drive-Ins, you did grow up in the era of home video where you had easy access to virtually the entire range of cult film world (much easier, than generations before, in fact). For someone so interested in these genres, one would think you would have been exposed to (or interested in seeking out) the good, the bad and the ugly of genre flicks.


Not so much - North Yarmouth, ME, had one video store and it wasn't extremely well stocked with that sort of thing, we didn't have cable until pretty late, and by the time I got into movies, my sf tastes in other media had evolved toward the hard stuff.

I did seek out more in college, but I just sort of never gained a taste for bad movies.  They could be instructive, they could have elements I liked, but I never found myself preferring them to good movies.


L.A. Connection wrote on Mar 1st, 2013 at 2:17pm:
The Marathon isn't a Film Festival (yet). It celebrates the range of the genre.


So do quality genre film festivals.  Heck, there are very few film festivals of any sort that are nearly as snooty as the popular perception

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Jay Seaver on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 11:17pm

G.I. Joe wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 3:47pm:
... I'm getting frustrated with all the festival crap intruding on the marathon. Enuff already! Anyway, on with the show!

...

Motivational Growth: THIS is why I hate the festival crap so much!
...
Theyre better than the festival sh.t we show!!

.... just please let the festival stuff show during the week before. too much crap is wasting space at the marathon. I'd rather see good old fashioned sci-fi than da Mold! 


Look, just because Garen has no idea what the good stuff is at the festival doesn't mean it should all be tarred with the same brush...

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by L.A. Connection on Mar 5th, 2013 at 2:25pm
To be fair to the poster, Jay, I think he is just expressing the views of a lot of Marathoners that too many Festival films don't cut it on the Marathon schedule. Not sure how long you have been going, but, with the exception of TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN/INVASION and, maybe, LAWNMOWER MAN, the "premieres" at the Marathon don't have a very good record.

And, let's face it, a lot of the core Marathon crowd isn't very adventurous. They think even something like SAFETY NOT GUARANTEED isnt sci-fi.

Title: Re: SF38 in review
Post by Jay Seaver on Mar 5th, 2013 at 10:05pm
Lord knows I tend to agree with the assessment of many of the premieres/festival films, but there's enough good in the festival portion that it deserves to grow, so it's worth pushing back when the whole thing is characterized as just crap.  Lord knows Garen hasn't been doing the Fest many favors with what he presents to the marathon crowd, but there's worthwhile stuff there.

Title: Dingleberry! : SF38 in review
Post by L.A. Connection on Mar 22nd, 2013 at 2:14pm
Here's the dingleberry who shouted out the ending of the Twilight Zone episode spotted at a screening of CITIZEN KANE at the Brattle:

http://www.gocomics.com/bliss/

(go to March 22, 2013 if reading this down the line)

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