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Message started by Frank on Dec 1st, 2011 at 1:14pm

Title: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Dec 1st, 2011 at 1:14pm
My usual annual pleas.   

The Tenth Victim - in italiano ma con sottotitolo in inglese. 

The Day the Earth Caught Fire

There are many others of course but these will do for a start.



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Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by Caleb451 on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:02pm
Isn't there a print of Rollerball floating around somewhere?

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by L.A. Connection on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:11pm

Caleb451 wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:02pm:
Isn't there a print of Rollerball floating around somewhere?


Which version - James Caan or the LL Cool J? 


;D ;D ;D

And, yes, believe it or not, the 1975 original has never been shown at the Marathon.

Yes, our Ohio bretheren showed the original 1975 version just a couple of years back. (and, I know of a local private print, too)



Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by kirok on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:25pm
there's your theme. evil corporations run amok. rollerball, man who fell to earth, alien 2, outland, the adjustment bureau, the presidents analyst, battle for the planet of the apes.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:53pm
You might want to post your requests on the Boston Sci-Fi facebook as I am told that G rarely checks our board.  Dunno if that is true but it would not hurt to re-post your suggestions on that page. 

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Dec 1st, 2011 at 11:49pm

Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:53pm:
You might want to post your requests on the Boston Sci-Fi facebook as I am told that G rarely checks our board.  Dunno if that is true but it would not hurt to re-post your suggestions on that page.


     No, it's true: Garen NEVER reads this board.  Ever.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Dec 1st, 2011 at 11:55pm

L.A. Connection wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:11pm:

Caleb451 wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:02pm:
Isn't there a print of Rollerball floating around somewhere?

yes, believe it or not, the 1975 original has never been shown at the Marathon.


     Maybe because it SUCKS?


Quote:
Yes, our Ohio bretheren showed the original 1975 version just a couple of years back. (and, I know of a local private print, too)


     It will be red due to colour fading.  Having run that awful print of Blade Runner a couple of years back, as well as the equally-awful looking print of The Stepford Wives, & last year's print of The Last Woman on Earth, I'd like to avoid faded prints, if we can.  Just to be professional.
     And Rollerball still blows chunks.  It's even more dated than Brainstorm.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Dec 1st, 2011 at 11:58pm

Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 1:14pm:
The Tenth Victim


     Fun movie, Frank!  The music composed for it, The Spiral Waltz?, just terrific.
     Of course, it wont be a picnic trying to find a print that hasnt faded.  You might have to get one from an Italian archive, & I dont see Garen going through that kind of trouble.



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The Day the Earth Caught Fire


     Never seen this.
     At some point soon, I'll e-mail my list of requests to Garen, & he will, as he always does, ignore them.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by Caleb451 on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 12:47am
Joe, Was that Rollerball print red and faded? Did the film indeed blow chunks? I'm curious to know how the Ohio crowd greeted the film.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by Rich Bartlett on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 5:11am
The Extraordinary Voyage a documentary about the recent restoration of the first science-fiction film, A Trip to The Moon, might be nice to see.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by Joe Neff on Dec 4th, 2011 at 8:58pm

Caleb451 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 12:47am:
Joe, Was that Rollerball print red and faded? Did the film indeed blow chunks? I'm curious to know how the Ohio crowd greeted the film.


The Rollerball print that played Columbus in 2009 was reasonably faded, but it was by no means red.  I'm fairly critical of print conditions, and that screening didn't bug me one bit.

Gauging the crowd's take on the film is somewhat futile, as it played very late at night when most folks were asleep (it's deliberate pacing didn't serve as much motivation to fight that urge.)  As for me?  I L-O-V-E Rollerball!  James Caan in his prime, a grim and moody tone, corporations controlling the population through violent sports...yeah, it's right in my wheelhouse. 

Are the costumes and some of the production design dated?  Sure.  But so what!  I'd get into the whole "viewing a film in the context of its time" debate, but from what snatches of that (ahem) conversation I've seen on this board it's a pissing match that I have no interest in entering.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Dec 5th, 2011 at 10:15am

Joe Neff wrote on Dec 4th, 2011 at 8:58pm:
The Rollerball print that played Columbus in 2009 was reasonably faded, but it was by no means red.


     Oh, so it's past the second phase of fading & well on its way!
     Sounds close to red to me!



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James Caan in his prime, a grim and moody tone, corporations controlling the population through violent sports...yeah, it's right in my wheelhouse.


     Good message in a bad movie!


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I'd get into the whole "viewing a film in the context of its time" debate, but from what snatches of that (ahem) conversation I've seen on this board it's a pissing match that I have no interest in entering.


     As Spock said in Wrath O Khan: "That is wise."  ;)

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by kirok on Dec 5th, 2011 at 12:13pm
yes. let's use the term "holds up well" and "still quite relevent to today's world" like the carnival murder scene in strangers on a train

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2011: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Dec 5th, 2011 at 5:27pm

kirok wrote on Dec 5th, 2011 at 12:13pm:
yes. let's use the term "holds up well" and "still quite relevent to today's world" like the carnival murder scene in strangers on a train


     Sure!  And lets pretend those terms apply to any movie we care to pull out of a hat, no matter how dated it may seem like the leaden, plodding pacing of Strangers on a Train.  Why, Bruno, how you do go on....

Title: What from 2011?? IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012
Post by L.A. Connection on Jan 1st, 2012 at 5:56pm
Since we seem to "have" to show at least one 2011 film at the Marathon, what shall it be?

I'd say RISE OF THE APES is the best SF film of the past year, but is it really necessary to show this soon? Heck, I'd rather see ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES which has still never shown despite being the best of the original APES sequels.

ATTACK THE BLOCK would be a more interesting choice since so few actually saw it. I had my reservations about it, but it would go over well with the crowd (as opposed to something like MELANCHOLIA or ANOTHER EARTH which are better films, but would probably not work in this situation).

I also liked ADJUSTMENT BUREAU and SOURCE CODE, but, again, are they "necessary" to show?

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by kirok on Jan 1st, 2012 at 6:55pm
give "cowboys vs. aliens" a shot. it was not a big hit but the marathon audience will typically give such a movie a boost. and from 2010, i still highly recommend "the book of eli".

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Jay Seaver on Jan 3rd, 2012 at 3:38pm
Attack the Block wasn't quite as good as the SXSW echo-chamber made it out to be, but it's still miles ahead of Another Earth.

I don't know what "necessary" would be from last year, although AtB is probably the best relatively-unseen movie from 2011.

A few festival favorites from last y ear that might be worth checking out:

* Detention, an energetic teen comedy/slasher spoof whose final act has a sci-fi twist that is not just delightfully silly, but actually pretty tight.

* Helldriver, the best of the recent Sushi Typhoon offerings, featuring some of the most creative gore work you'll see.

* Redline, an absolutely nutsoid animated space-race flick from Japan that even the anime-haters should enjoy:  It's fast-moving, full of strange creatures, and free of the leaden philosophizing that tends to drag many big-name anime movies down.

* Monster Brawl wasn't a particular favorite of mine, but it's a fun combination of Universal Monsters and pro wrestling.

* The Whisperer in Darkness is the second film from the local Lovecraft fans who made The Call of Cthulhu; they match the look and feel of movies from the time of the book's 1930s publication and make a pretty fun pulp horror/sci-fi pic.

* Haunters, last year's best superhero movie, is a South Korean take on Unbreakable that doesn't end just as things start getting interesting.

* Beyond the Black Rainbow has already been picked up by Magnet, and may be more a festival entry, but they're pretty good about using fests to promote their upcoming slate, and this is the sort of weird thing that has a big-screen look but is MUCH too weird to get a regular booking in 35mm.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by kirok on Jan 3rd, 2012 at 4:34pm
for 2012 the schedule needs some gravitas. there is a contingent of johnny come latelys and they need encouragement to make the marathon an annual ritual. my schedule is geared toward showing some faves that the die hards have seen before and the jcls would be enthralled by and thus make for a melding of the auduence.
here's my futile attempt. i have been pushing for these titles for many years.

Battle beyond the stars.
     Johnboy in space. it's a retelling of the magnificent 7 which is a retelling of the 7 samurai

ed wood (1994)
     long overdo. there's a scene portraying the meeting of ed wood and orson welles.

the man who fell to earth.
     the people who like david bowie's shlong in labyrinth will love this.

the man in the white suit
      rare quality from british sci-fi. starring alec guiness. about a scientist who invents a indestructable cloth.

the book of eli (2010)
      a sleeper hit for 2010. cannibals, gun fu, meat cleaver fu, shock ending. a cameo by a veteran actor is guranteed to bring the house down.

terminator 3
     bad box office but the marathon audience will give it a boost

cowboys and aliens
     ditto

star trek 5: where no man has gone before
     the success of star trek 2  at sf 35 should make it inevitable that all star trek installments (except for star trek 1) be eventually shown. this installment is highly underrated and was directed by william shatner.

rise of the planet of the apes
    i have held off on viewing this one in the hope that it appears on the schedule.

more later
    

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by kirok on Jan 3rd, 2012 at 9:25pm
... and one anime, one feature from europe, and one family feature.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:07am

kirok wrote on Jan 3rd, 2012 at 4:34pm:
here's my futile attempt. i have been pushing for these titles for many years.
Battle beyond the stars.


     Ran this turkey when it was released.  Barely remember it, but remember thinking it was pretty bad.


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ed wood


    Terrible, inaccurate movie.  And it isnt SF.  But Martin Landau is marvellous.


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there's a scene portraying the meeting of ed wood and orson welles.


     Yeah; I believe Vincent D'Onofrio plays Welles, & does a spectacular job at it.
     But I still think it's wrong for the marathon.



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the man who fell to earth


     This fits, but Ive run & seen it a million times.  It shows its age (not that it matters).


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the man in the white suit


     This is one of the best of the Ealing comedies, & a personal favourite.  Terrific movie!  Would love it if we got this, but youd really have to push because it isnt all that SFish.


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the book of eli (2010)


     Havent seen.


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terminator 3


     I ask for this every year!


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cowboys and aliens


     Eh.  Sure, it would fit, but....


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star trek 5: where no man has gone before


     Only when we can run it in 70mm (not that anything would help this turkey).


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this installment is highly underrated and was directed by william shatner.


     If by "underrated" you mean people were able to make it through to the end without puking out their innards from the stupidity & rotten scripting, youd be right.  But this is the the absolute worst of the original cast movies.
     And youll notice that Shatner was never allowed to direct anything ever again.  Thankfully.  Because this one sucked.  A lot.



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rise of the planet of the apes


     Havent seen it, but there are a lot of the original Apes movies that the marathon has never run.

Title: Battle beyond the Trek: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012
Post by L.A. Connection on Jan 4th, 2012 at 2:05pm
BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS played twice way back in the Orson Welles era. It's a lot of b movie fun with a script by John Sayles. STAR TREK V isn't that bad - but, that's hardly a bid endorsement - III or VI would be better picks from the original cast.

MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH has shockingly NEVER played the 'thon. I'm trying to rectify that oversight.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 4th, 2012 at 2:13pm
Battle Beyond The Stars would probably play well at the thon but it is no great shakes.  John Sayles is not always on.....

Star Trek V.... it is pretty awful stuff, agreed that we can show III or IV.

Man Who Fell To Earth would most likely be for the die hards.  I enjoy the movie but it is not to everyone's taste.  I have not seen it in ages and would not mind seeing it again.  Provided of course that it is not buried at some awful hour. 


Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by kirok on Jan 4th, 2012 at 3:55pm
i saw trek 5 on opening day to a packed house at cleveland circle. we laughed at every joke and there were dozens of them. frankly i can't understaqnd the backlash. shatner directed and he had kirk spock and bones hogging the camera. just like the original series. i think it gets a bad rap mainly in order to preserve that odd number curse.

Title: Re: Battle beyond the Trek: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012
Post by David the Projectionist on Jan 4th, 2012 at 6:00pm

L.A. Connection wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
STAR TREK V isn't that bad


     If by "isnt that bad" you mean "blows chunks," youre on the money!


Quote:
III or VI would be better picks from the original cast.


     I consider III to be just squeaking above V in its level of awfulness.  IV, on the other hand, is just fine.
     These are all available in 70, by the way: they recently ran at a theatre in LA.



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MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH has shockingly NEVER played the 'thon. I'm trying to rectify that oversight.


     *Sigh*   :-X

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Jan 4th, 2012 at 6:11pm

kirok wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 3:55pm:
i saw trek 5 on opening day to a packed house at cleveland circle.


     And I saw it opening day in 70mm at the 57!  Whats your point?  Does it matter to the quality of the movie when & where one saw it?
     "I saw The Postman on opening day, & it was so much better back then, as compared to when I watch it now."
     No.  >:(



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frankly i can't understand the backlash.


     It's not a "backlash," it's a reaction to how much the movie sucks!
     Here are examples:
     a)  The United States's reputation is suffering in the Middle East due to a backlash brought on by its repressive, democracy-destroying policies.
     b)  I had a visceral reaction when watching Star Trek V, when I all but asphyxiated when trying to swallow how incompetently it was written & directed.



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i think it gets a bad rap mainly in order to preserve that odd number curse.


     No, it gets a bad rep because it's terrible!

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Jan 4th, 2012 at 6:14pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 2:13pm:
Battle Beyond The Stars would probably play well at the thon but it is no great shakes.  John Sayles is not always on.....


     Too right!  Ever seen Lianna?


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Star Trek V.... it is pretty awful stuff, agreed that we can show III or IV.


     If we could just cross out that III.....


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Man Who Fell To Earth would most likely be for the die hards.  I enjoy the movie but it is not to everyone's taste.  I have not seen it in ages and would not mind seeing it again.  Provided of course that it is not buried at some awful hour.


     Also provided that we can find a decent print.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 4th, 2012 at 6:51pm



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Star Trek V.... it is pretty awful stuff, agreed that we can show III or IV.


     If we could just cross out that III.....

Actually, I always felt that IV was not all that great.  The whole whales thing and all the cute crap with them traveling back in time to our time.  PUH-LEASE.   

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Jan 4th, 2012 at 7:35pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 6:51pm:
Actually, I always felt that IV was not all that great.  The whole whales thing and all the cute crap with them traveling back in time to our time.  PUH-LEASE.


     Agreed.  But it's still better than III.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by L.A. Connection on Jan 4th, 2012 at 9:09pm

David the Projectionist wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 6:00pm:
   

     These are all available in 70, by the way: they recently ran at a theatre in LA.


Actually, at least one of the films in the 70mm TREK series got shown in 35mm since a 70mm print was 'unavailable' (I believe it was the original STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE).

That said, my vote would be for VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY in 70mm.

If only we had a venue for the Marathon that could project 70mm..................


Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:39pm
Undiscovered Country has a lot of goofy moments but then it IS Star Trek.  However, it has a lot going for it and it too would be fun. 

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:59pm
Off the sci-fi topic and on 70mm for when it happens please consider the following: I would love my son to see these with me as they were meant to be seen.  He has only seen most of them on DVD.

Zulu
Wild Bunch
Lawrence of Arabia
Battle of The Bulge
Ben Hur
2001
Bridge on the River Kwai
Ice Station Zebra
Spartacus

There are more but that's a good testosterone fueled start (heh-heh)

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Jan 5th, 2012 at 3:42pm

L.A. Connection wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 9:09pm:
Actually, at least one of the films in the 70mm TREK series got shown in 35mm since a 70mm print was 'unavailable' (I believe it was the original STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE).


     You are correct: Star Trek The Motion Sickness was unavailable in 70 for that screening.  But I specifically said that Star Treks III, IV, & V were available in 70, if you were paying attention.  No one said anything about Star Trek I.


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That said, my vote would be for VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY in 70mm.


     That, too, is available.


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If only we had a venue for the Marathon that could project 70mm..................


     If only we had an administrator who understood how difficult it has been to find all the necessary equipment, & how even more difficult it is to get it set up properly.  That person would not be so sarcastic, and will, I predict, be on cloud nine when the installation is complete.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Jan 5th, 2012 at 4:27pm

Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:59pm:
Off the sci-fi topic and on 70mm for when it happens please consider the following.


     I am keeping the list of titles I plan to show to myself until they are all confirmed.  And the installation is complete.  And the money is available to do this.  I dont want to count my chickens until I at least have some eggs.
     That said, I'll go over a few of these.



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Zulu


     Unavailable in pretty much any format, due to rights issues.  If there is a surviving 70 print, which I very much doubt, the colour will have completely faded away.  In addition, the mix was limited: only the voices & the effects were sent to the side channels, the music was resolutely mono.
     Dont hold your breath for this one in 70.



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Wild Bunch


     There is a print of this available, provided Warners hasnt thrown it into the sea; however, it uses the Todd-AO standard sound, & I'm not certain I'll be set up for that format in time.


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Lawrence of Arabia


     The available prints of this are awful: they were struck from an internegative, & the colour is off.  There are a couple of the good ones left, but getting hold of either one of them will not be an easy task.  And Ive run this way too many times.


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Battle of The Bulge


     Unavailable, as far as I can tell.  Red, if one still exists.  And the Todd-AO sound format.  And in Ultra Panavision, which is a whole different kettle of fish.


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Ben Hur


     Available in a flat 70 format, but then theres the sound.


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2001


     No.  Run this a million times.  And the new prints are grainy & hideous.


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Bridge on the River Kwai


     There was one print of this about a decade ago; dont know if it still exists.  The colour & aspect ratio were off, & the sound was mono.


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Ice Station Zebra


     If theres a print of this, it's red.  And we're back once more to that sound format.  And I have to ask why anyone would want to see this again: nothing like Todd-AO to show very clearly that youre standing on a set!  Still, if they ever struck a new print....


Quote:
Spartacus


     Available.
     Believe me, youll all know when this is going to happen!  Ive been working on this project for nearly seven straight years.


Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by kirok on Jan 5th, 2012 at 5:30pm
pardon my total ignorance oh great projectionist, but if there are no good prints of a movie, is there a likelyhood that a negative exists and can a good print be produced thereby. how often if ever does a studio or private owner or whatever go through the process of printing and releasing a copy from the original negative? was the very nice copy of "colossus the forbin project" produced in this manner?

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by kirok on Jan 5th, 2012 at 10:51pm

kirok wrote on Jan 3rd, 2012 at 4:34pm:
for 2012 the schedule needs some gravitas. there is a contingent of johnny come latelys and they need encouragement to make the marathon an annual ritual. my schedule is geared toward showing some faves that the die hards have seen before and the jcls would be enthralled by and thus make for a melding of the auduence.
here's my futile attempt. i have been pushing for these titles for many years.

Battle beyond the stars.
     Johnboy in space. it's a retelling of the magnificent 7 which is a retelling of the 7 samurai

ed wood (1994)
     long overdo. there's a scene portraying the meeting of ed wood and orson welles.

the man who fell to earth.
     the people who like david bowie's shlong in labyrinth will love this.

the man in the white suit
      rare quality from british sci-fi. starring alec guiness. about a scientist who invents a indestructable cloth.

the book of eli (2010)
      a sleeper hit for 2010. cannibals, gun fu, meat cleaver fu, shock ending. a cameo by a veteran actor is guranteed to bring the house down.

terminator 3
     bad box office but the marathon audience will give it a boost

cowboys and aliens
     ditto

star trek 5: where no man has gone before
     the success of star trek 2  at sf 35 should make it inevitable that all star trek installments (except for star trek 1) be eventually shown. this installment is highly underrated and was directed by william shatner.

rise of the planet of the apes
    i have held off on viewing this one in the hope that it appears on the schedule.

more later
    

for a family and animation: the incredibles and wall-e

add one artsy fartsy foriegn pick like "another earth" and you have an outstanding 2012 line up.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Jan 6th, 2012 at 10:10am

kirok wrote on Jan 5th, 2012 at 5:30pm:
pardon my total ignorance oh great projectionist


     Yes, my son?


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but if there are no good prints of a movie, is there a likelihood that a negative exists and can a good print be produced thereby.


     It depends, my boy, upon the era.
     Literally thousands of original negatives from the early days of film are gone: they were claimed by nitrate fires, nitrate decomposition due to poor storage, overuse (Birth of a Nation, for example), or the studio or owner just threw them away because it/he felt it had no more value.
     It got a bit better in the thirties, but not much.
     When the fifties rolled in, the problem then became the switch over to the Eastman colour negative stock (as opposed to three strip Technicolor process).  Most of the fifties colour negatives have faded beyond redemption; if no colour seps were made, theyre gone.
     Same with the sixties.  For instance, the negative to Tom Jones is lost: no colour seps were made, nothing seems to exist; there may be a print or two stowed away somewhere, but thats pretty much it.
     The original colour negative to the 30fps Around the World in 80 Days is gone: that version can never be shown again (unless my information is wrong).  Those are just a couple of examples: hundreds more exist.



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how often if ever does a studio or private owner or whatever go through the process of printing and releasing a copy from the original negative?


     Again, that depends.
     Prints are rarely made from the camera negative: the rule is to touch that element as seldom as possible, & use the best existing internegative instead.
     But it sometimes happens: the print of Jaws 2 we ran last summer was struck off the camera negative.
     Assuming we're still discussing older movies, the owner will occasionally ask for a new print to be struck, but thats becoming less & less frequent, because of this digital sh!t I keep warning everybody about.
     It is now far more likely that an element -- good or bad -- will be pulled to create a digital copy: whether that digital version maintains any fidelity to the original is left completely to chance (the recent snafu in West Side Story being a good example).
     But, sure, there are plenty of existing elements from which the studios could strike new prints if they wanted to; they just dont want to.  Theyre trying to kill the format.  We're all going to get it in the neck if they do.



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was the very nice copy of "colossus the forbin project" produced in this manner?


     That was struck from an internegative.  If you remember the print, it had a yellow tinge throughout.  Why?  Because the unstable cyan layer in the original negative had begun to fade.
     Hope that helps.  :D

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 10th, 2012 at 2:29pm
I am starting to jones for mid-60's to mid-70's sf movies that hardly ever received the kind of rotation that many of the 50's low budget, small studio films enjoyed.  They are not all good but we have not shown them or they have not been shown in ages.

The Andromeda Strain
The Satan Bug
Wild In The Streets
The Power
The Green Slime
Fahrenheit 451
The 10th Victim
The Time Travelers
Escape From The Planet of the Apes
THX1138
Silent Running
Day of the Dolphin
Fantastic Planet

These are but a few. 

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Caleb451 on Jan 10th, 2012 at 3:49pm

Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 2:29pm:
I am starting to jones for mid-60's to mid-70's sf movies that hardly ever received the kind of rotation that many of the 50's low budget, small studio films enjoyed.  They are not all good but we have not shown them or they have not been shown in ages.

The Andromeda Strain
The Satan Bug
Wild In The Streets
The Power
The Green Slime
Fahrenheit 451
The 10th Victim
The Time Travelers
Escape From The Planet of the Apes
THX1138
Silent Running
Day of the Dolphin
Fantastic Planet

These are but a few. 


There isn't a single film on that list that I wouldn't gladly sit through. Especially Escape from the Planet of the Ape, my favorite from the series.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 10th, 2012 at 10:04pm

David the Projectionist wrote on Jan 5th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 4th, 2012 at 11:59pm:
Off the sci-fi topic and on 70mm for when it happens please consider the following.


     I am keeping the list of titles I plan to show to myself until they are all confirmed.  And the installation is complete.  And the money is available to do this.  I dont want to count my chickens until I at least have some eggs.
     That said, I'll go over a few of these.



Quote:
Zulu


     Unavailable in pretty much any format, due to rights issues.  If there is a surviving 70 print, which I very much doubt, the colour will have completely faded away.  In addition, the mix was limited: only the voices & the effects were sent to the side channels, the music was resolutely mono.
     Dont hold your breath for this one in 70.


[quote]Wild Bunch


     There is a print of this available, provided Warners hasnt thrown it into the sea; however, it uses the Todd-AO standard sound, & I'm not certain I'll be set up for that format in time.


Quote:
Lawrence of Arabia


     The available prints of this are awful: they were struck from an internegative, & the colour is off.  There are a couple of the good ones left, but getting hold of either one of them will not be an easy task.  And Ive run this way too many times.


Quote:
Battle of The Bulge


     Unavailable, as far as I can tell.  Red, if one still exists.  And the Todd-AO sound format.  And in Ultra Panavision, which is a whole different kettle of fish.


Quote:
Ben Hur


     Available in a flat 70 format, but then theres the sound.


Quote:
2001


     No.  Run this a million times.  And the new prints are grainy & hideous.


Quote:
Bridge on the River Kwai


     There was one print of this about a decade ago; dont know if it still exists.  The colour & aspect ratio were off, & the sound was mono.


Quote:
Ice Station Zebra


     If theres a print of this, it's red.  And we're back once more to that sound format.  And I have to ask why anyone would want to see this again: nothing like Todd-AO to show very clearly that youre standing on a set!  Still, if they ever struck a new print....


Quote:
Spartacus


     Available.
     Believe me, youll all know when this is going to happen!  Ive been working on this project for nearly seven straight years.

[/quote]

Well on the basis of what will not be available, I am not too hopeful about the slate matching my tastes.  I guess that we shall have to see......   

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by David the Projectionist on Jan 10th, 2012 at 11:25pm

Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 10:04pm:
Well on the basis of what will not be available, I am not too hopeful about the slate matching my tastes.  I guess that we shall have to see


     Trust me, Frank: if I get even half of what I'm planning, youll be there with one helluva smile spread across your face.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 11th, 2012 at 1:09am

David the Projectionist wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 11:25pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 10:04pm:
Well on the basis of what will not be available, I am not too hopeful about the slate matching my tastes.  I guess that we shall have to see


     Trust me, Frank: if I get even half of what I'm planning, youll be there with one helluva smile spread across your face.


That's all I need to here, mano.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 11th, 2012 at 10:57am
I just caught The Satan Bug on TCM for the first time in about 30 years or more.  It is a tight cold war/ germ warfare thriller from the 60's with a very recognizable cast of actors including George Maharis, Richard Basehart, Anne Francis, Dana Andrews, Ed Asner and many others. Directed by John Sturges, based on the Alistair MacLean screenplay by James Clavell, music by Jerry Goldsmith, Cinematography by Robert Surtees.   

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by kirok on Jan 11th, 2012 at 2:04pm

Frank wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 10:57am:
I just caught The Satan Bug on TCM for the first time in about 30 years or more.  It is a tight cold war/ germ warfare thriller from the 60's with a very recognizable cast of actors including George Maharis, Richard Basehart, Anne Francis, Dana Andrews, Ed Asner and many others. Directed by John Sturges, based on the Alistair MacLean screenplay by James Clavell, music by Jerry Goldsmith, Cinematography by Robert Surtees.   

i think that was a made for tv movie

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 11th, 2012 at 2:40pm

kirok wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 2:04pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 10:57am:
I just caught The Satan Bug on TCM for the first time in about 30 years or more.  It is a tight cold war/ germ warfare thriller from the 60's with a very recognizable cast of actors including George Maharis, Richard Basehart, Anne Francis, Dana Andrews, Ed Asner and many others. Directed by John Sturges, based on the Alistair MacLean screenplay by James Clavell, music by Jerry Goldsmith, Cinematography by Robert Surtees.   

i think that was a made for tv movie



WRONG AGAIN!  THANKS FOR PLAYING THO...... It was not a real success but yes it was released theatrically, it was not made for television.  Maharis was trying to become a major movie star (he never made it) after leaving Route 66 in 1963.  He was replaced by Glenn Corbett for the last season.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by kirok on Jan 17th, 2012 at 9:04am
a recent overlooked gem 'the invention of lying" with rick gervais, jenniffer garner

Title: GREEN SLIME: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012:
Post by L.A. Connection on Jan 21st, 2012 at 5:38pm
Proper place for this discussion.

Like I noted, there are SEVERAL of us looking for that elusive 35mm print of GREEN SLIME. It just doesn't seem to exist. Only 16mm on Film.

There is also NO Blu Ray of GREEN SLIME. It has only recently been made available as a Direct Download DVD or DVD made to order from the Warner Brothers Archive - $10 or $20.

http://www.wbshop.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-WB-Site/default/Search-Show?q=slime

Title: Re: GREEN SLIME: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012:
Post by Frank on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:01pm

L.A. Connection wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 5:38pm:
Proper place for this discussion.

Like I noted, there are SEVERAL of us looking for that elusive 35mm print of GREEN SLIME. It just doesn't seem to exist. Only 16mm on Film.

There is also NO Blu Ray of GREEN SLIME. It has only recently been made available as a Direct Download DVD or DVD made to order from the Warner Brothers Archive - $10 or $20.

http://www.wbshop.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-WB-Site/default/Search-Show?q=slime



I am told that it is a nice transfer............. but yes the elusive 35mm. 

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 11:24am
Ed Wood's lost film. It's horror but how great a get would this be?  Pilot episode for a propsed series.  "Better than the Twiight Zone". Wishful thinking, I know but I can dream, can't I.
http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/01/19/slamdance-final-curtain/

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by pogo on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:15pm
There are a number of sequels to Duck Dodgers---
In fact there seems to even be one prequel.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_the_Martian Some Marvin toons feature Bugs, some Daffy.
Having seen most of your regular announced lineup, it would take an extraordinary announcement to get me to drive to Boston for your Marathon. However a couple of Marvin cartoons might do it. (Truth in posting. My daughter is in grad school iat BU, so I am intending to head your way soon whatever - - -& I like Marathons.)
Cheers from Cleveland

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Metaluna on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:19pm

pogo wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:15pm:
There are a number of sequels to Duck Dodgers---
In fact there seems to even be one prequel.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_the_Martian Some Marvin toons feature Bugs, some Daffy.
Having seen most of your regular announced lineup, it would take an extraordinary announcement to get me to drive to Boston for your Marathon. However a couple of Marvin cartoons might do it. (Truth in posting. My daughter is in grad school iat BU, so I am intending to head your way soon whatever - - -& I like Marathons.)
Cheers from Cleveland

You should join us!

We've had a nearly snowless winter in Boston but it's sure to be lousy weather for that Sunday. It's tradition.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 10:30pm
I hope that you do join us.  Weather will probably be bad but it will be cozy inside.  It's a great theater with a great staff.  I am the prize guy.  If you come please introduce yourself. 

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Lile on Jan 24th, 2012 at 7:43pm
Please join us,even the worst of 'thons are fun.

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by pogo on Feb 1st, 2012 at 1:25pm
Deserting one's spouse over a holiday weekend is a little raw. On the other hand, mentioned the possibility of being in Boston to my 27 year old daughter who ordered me to visit her & attend. Is there any problem getting in the Thon if you don't buy advance tickets?

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Frank on Feb 1st, 2012 at 1:32pm
It has not been a problem.  There are tickets available on Sunday......

Title: Re: IDEAS for SF/37 Feb.2012: 10th Victim and others
Post by Metaluna on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 3:01pm

pogo wrote on Feb 1st, 2012 at 1:25pm:
Deserting one's spouse over a holiday weekend is a little raw.

Hey, at least it's not on Valentine's Day this year.

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